mrchamp ([info]mrchamp) wrote,
@ 2008-05-07 18:21:00
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Clinton loses black vote: calls to drop out
I wasn't aware until recently that the democratic party now consists of black people.

I'm getting geared up to laugh at the people calling for her to drop out. These same people disregard the polls, battleground state results, Obama's failure to attract votes other than the black and well-educated, etc. I can't wait to see their surprise over how tough a road Obama will have thanks to what I have just described and the lack of backbone to provide a revote for Florida and Michigan.

Basically, what I'm getting here is that Obama will beat McCain by giving Florida and Michigan condolence prizes, ignoring the polls that Clinton supporters will vote for McCain, etc. Ok, fine. Keep saying it's premature to put Clinton on the ticket as the V.P., keep saying that "Florida and Michigan broke the rules," keep saying that it's ok to do this or that. Go ahead and screw em all. See if they weren't kidding when they said they'd vote for McCain. The risk is all on your end of the table. You're lucky that a few Clinton supporters such as myself have an overwhelming desire to get us out of Iraq and vote for the democrat regardless of who it is.

Alienating people who voted over something their state government did isn't a joke. And reaching a "compromise" is equally a joke. We compromised the blacks' votes to 3/5 in 1787, and I recall that being overturned. This isn't Clinton's "last ditch" effort; it's an effort she's been fighting for all along, and I think Obama and his campaign should be ashamed for not bringing it up every free moment.

But like I said, I don't expect that the votes will be counted as they should. There will be some retarded compromise that doesn't change anything. Clearly, these two are Clinton favored states, so we can't count them fully or dream of doing a revote. Hell, that might come close to changing the delegate math, and we wouldn't want to "cheat" someone out of the nomination. So let's just get this over with and nominate. Obama's campaign team reward: all of the baggage that goes with it, some of which they brought on themselves, some of which they didn't. Deal with it. Try uniting the country with two highly contested states sitting on the backburner of the election process. You'll need more charisma than two J.F.K'S.


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[info]mystic_rice
2008-05-08 05:03 am UTC (link)
So delegates should be seated for a state in which one of the candidates wasn't even on the ballot? Seems reasonable. I'm all for a revote; that's fine. But seating them as they are is ridiculous.

If people are such little whiny bitches that they'll vote for fucking America for the next four years simply because their pick didn't win, we deserve what we get. We deserve to suffer with a shitty economy that increasingly digs itself into debt to fund a pointless exercise in democracy-building in a country that could care less about being "free." If people want to cry that their team lost, they need to do it at home, not the polling both. Don't screw over the entire nation just because you don't like Obama (that's the universal you, since I know you're not retarded and will vote based on issues).

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[info]m0k3
2008-05-08 07:51 am UTC (link)
I heard they are having a "meeting" to decide what to do about Florida (and/or Michigan) on the 30th of May.

John King and crew don't expect much to come from that meeting

Whatever the case, I don't think those states are going to suddenly become republican. What's greatest about this race in the turnout amongst dems--we're getting our base out there and that's what wins elections.

McCain is going down one way or the other--I'm over my fear that Hillary can't do it.

And I don't care if they don't count the states at this point and 'give' Obama the nomination--I say 'give' because he could still fairly pull off the nomination with those states counting. I just want a nominee soon

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[info]mrchamp
2008-05-09 09:14 am UTC (link)
I was probably a little too hard on Obama when I posted this. I wasn't too happy when I did, which may have slightly slanted what I wrote. I meant most of it. I'm not going to whine and moan anymore than I already have. It's cool if he's the nominee, but only if people haven't been left out or marginalized. The fact that the DNC won't take action against the state governments forces Clinton and Obama into an unprovoked nightmare of reconciliation. Any way you slice this, people are going to have to take the bullet for their failed government leadership once more. I guess I should just get used to this, eh?

I have to say how I excited I was yesterday during the Blitzer/Obama interview. Obama talked like he will seriously consider Clinton as the V.P. without actually saying it. If that in fact becomes the ticket, then I don't think he has to waste months pulling everyone back together, which leaves more time to show everyone how bad McCain is. :)

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[info]mrchamp
2008-05-09 09:15 am UTC (link)
And yes, to demonstrate my level of commitment, if the choice is Charles Manson-D and John McCain-R, then I vote Manson for president.

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[info]mrchamp
2008-05-09 09:19 am UTC (link)
Sorry to disagree with you Matt, but if Florida and Michigan don't get a proper representation regardless of DNC rules, then I think they could backstab Obama and pull the states red. This is assuming he picks someone else for V.P. besides Clinton. He can't answer for the governors, and he can't answer for the DNC. All those residents will know is that they got some half-ass compromise, so clearly they have no reason to think their votes will matter anymore in a general election than a primary. These are just my feelings. Resolving them in a way that seems fair will go a long way, even if it doesn't particularly help one side or the other in delegate math.

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[info]randomguy1313
2008-05-10 08:12 pm UTC (link)
I'm voting for Ross Perot '08!

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